Comments on: Interview: Andy Budd on the future of CSS

By: rapha » CSS 2.2, rumo ao CSS3

rapha » CSS 2.2, rumo ao CSS3 — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:28:05 +0000

[...] navegava, vi uma notícia interessante: Andy Budd está propondo a criação de uma versão 2.2 do CSS, dado que alguns dos browsers atuais já estão implementando os seletores e algumas regras da [...]

By: Peter Gasston

Peter Gasston — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:17:35 +0000

That’s the thing about most of the existing CSS 3 features: they are mostly cosmetic, and are more about how pages display. It wouldn’t be the end of the world if a browser couldn’t see opaque backgrounds or curved corners, but the better the browser you have, the better the web looks – if coded correctly, of course.

And also, all of the features in the proposed CSS2.2 standard are implemented in at least one browser already; in many cases, there’s nothing stopping you from using them right now. You would just have to make sure that your code degrades gracefully, and good coding means you shouldn’t need extra stylesheets for that.

By: Jorge Laranjo

Jorge Laranjo — Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:31:45 +0000

If that will be situation Peter then I agree with CSS 2.1 and beyond. The problem is if the browsers don’t support this new “features”.
Imagine that CSS 2.1 is out. Imagine that IE 7 updates and Firefox updates and Safari, Opera and all major browsers.
Then you’ll start a new site using CSS 2.1. And that’s fine for me that always have the system updated. But what if someone doen’t have? As you know people that still using Mac OS X Panther can’t be using Safari 2. Does Safari 1.4 will be upgraded to support CSS 2.1? I doubt. Now imagine the millions of people still using IE 6.x and IE 5.x

That can be the problem.
What we really need is CSS versions that graceful degradate when the user is browsing using a older browser, but still mantain the design (downgrade to CSS 2) withou the hassle to use several style sheets for that manner.

Is this utopic? Maybe…

By: Peter Gasston

Peter Gasston — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:25:45 +0000

Jorge: The problem is that it won’t be ready a year from now; some of it may not be ready years from now.

By: Jorge Laranjo

Jorge Laranjo — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:21:15 +0000

Oh yeah! So people are not using CSS 2 on the right way (the majority of the webdesigners) and Andy thinks in launching CSS 2.2, 2.3 and beyond. Good luck with that. That will only be worst. Why not stick with the CSS 2.0 and wait for the 3.0 to be ready? Even if we need to wait a year.
Why? Just because a year from now if CSS 3 is ready we can tell our peers “Hey guys? CSS 3 is ready. Why not give it a try?”
This is, IMHO, better than to tell them “Hey guys? CSS 2.2 is ready” and a few weeks later “Oops, now is CSS 2.3″ and so on and so on…

Just my 2 cents.

By: Håkon Wium Lie on the future of the web - CSS3 . Info

Håkon Wium Lie on the future of the web - CSS3 . Info — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:53:22 +0000

[...] asked him what he thought of Andy Budd’s call for a CSS2.2 specification, and he said that he was all for it – now that’s an influential [...]

By: Rob

Rob — Tue, 08 May 2007 07:31:03 +0000

It does worry me that at some point we may be in a situation we were in during the dot com boom. However I am not sure what was worse, the browser wars which lead to rapid development, or the stagnant period after IE won..

I say we all just use web kit, and everything is shared (rendering wise) features can be the selling points, not how things render :)

By: Andy Budd on the future of CSS » Broken Links

Andy Budd on the future of CSS » Broken Links — Mon, 07 May 2007 22:58:00 +0000

[...] conducted a Q&A about the future of CSS with speaker/author/developer/etc Andy Budd, which you can read on CSS3.info [...]